James got owned by Scott and then you all got lectured on ‘the ancients’ by a Dane!!

Funny stuff. I would usually pay for entertainment like this.

God bless the internet. Or should I say, ‘may the Great Attractor bless the internet!’

One of several nonsensical claims in your post:

> Consider that God is a complex term for a very simple metaphysical belief

In what possible way is “God” a complex term? Do you even know what “term” means?

All the Best!

Ivar Nielsen
http://native-science.net
http://cosmology-unified.net

The Great Attractor is not a place, it’s a zone spanning hundreds of millions of light years (several billion times larger than our Milky Galaxy) in which there is a concentration of old galaxies and early galactic matter, dust, gas and radiation. Many of the galaxies attracted by this concentration of matter are colliding violently with each other, causing the whole area to be awash in extreme radiation levels, including a preponderance of lethal x-rays.

JMM – Isn’t a zone that has dimensions “a place”?
JMM – X-Ray radiation, while lethal to humans on earth might just as well be AM radio in the realm of The Great Attractor.

Because it is presumably a very old structure in the history of the universe, it’s large-scale gravitational effects have acted on surrounding matter in several galactic superclusters for several billion years, allowing us to notice it because it has an observable effect on all local matter, including the Milky Way Galaxy, however, it and all the matter anywhere near it are red-shifted, meaning that it is moving away from us at tremendous speed.

JMM – Why do you presume it to be a very old structure? Might it not “appear when we need” it to further our own consciousness?

The Great attractor, if as far from us as you intimate, could be showing a red-shift signature left over from times gone by. Although we cannot yet detect its acceleration “towards us” (or vice versa), if that attraction is younger than the signature that we can detect, then there is nothing to preclude belief that we are in fact in a mutual attraction game with The Great Attractor. It is a paradox that falls into the “things are not always as they seem” category. Also, since you seem to have a great deal of scientific evidence surrounding this issue, would a direct pull between us and the GA send us cart wheeling right through the center of the universe? I would live to see my thesis “proven” to the satisfaction of someone like yourself – obviously a scientist… or did I get that wrong?
From a philosophical standpoint, this anomalous structure in the universe CANNOT be “heaven” because a.) it is not nearly as old as the universe itself, b.) could not therefore predate the beginning of the universe, and c.) could not therefore be where God “resides” because that would mean that the beginning of the universe must pre-date God… which, I believe, is contrary to your religion.

JMM – a.) Why must any heaven predate the universe or be simultaneous to creation? b.) Same argument. C.) It depends on whether God is a creation of man or man is a creation of God. No one, except a dogmatist would claim to know that answer – unless you have received “direct word” on this subject. I think you are saying that there is a time-sequenced set of events before God and heaven can take their rightful places in the human consciousness.

JMM – Did you hear the one about the dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac who lay awake all night wondering if there really was a Dog?

Likewise, the Milky Way Galaxy is not God or heaven, nor are supermassive black holes, the boundary of the visible universe, the Sloan Great Wall, the Faxton Supercluster, or the North Star even remotely to be considered as candidates for God or Heaven.

JMM – Is God restricted to only one location or “available” in all locations?

Consider that “God” is a simplified term for a very complex metaphysical belief, and that “Heaven” is a religious metaphor for a metaphysical (not physical) afterlife. The physical features of the universe are, by their very nature, NOT metaphysical.

JMM – Consider that God is a complex term for a very simple metaphysical belief and that “Heaven” is a metaphysical metaphor for what most people belief is a quasi-physical (as in “Up there, in Heaven”) place.

Some of the structures in the universe, like the Great Attractor, are statistically improbable, but that does not mean they are particularly special… just exceptions to the general structure as we understand it. Trust me when I tell you that you will not find God or Heaven with a microwave-spectrum radio telescope.

JMM – Would it make more sense to ignore the anomaly, which is the GA , or open our minds to what it may be, not only dimensionally, but also interdimensionally?
(And in my opinion, to believe that you could do so is hopelessly naieve from both a scientific and a spiritual perspective.)
JMM – One man’s hopeful naïveté is another man’s scientific inspiration. I hope that I have inspired you to see that there may be more than one valid perspective on this subject and that all questions, no matter how naive, have their place in this discussion.

JMM=Jim McGillis – http://jamesmcgillis.com and jim@jamesmcgillis.com.

Ivar Nielsen

Thanks for a “great attractive” article . . .

The very idea of the subject “The Great Attractor” is that “something is pulling”, regarding to the Newton/Einstein Laws of Gravity, right?

- Well, these laws have failed to explain many cosmological phenomenon’s in Cosmos and have showed to be very contradictive in many cases, so what if they also are wrong/contradictive regarding “the great attractor”- phenomenon?

What if the movement in the phenomenon are a result of “A Great Push?” in stead of a great pull?

That´s what I think it is: “A Great Push” that presses everything forward in a pattern of in-folding and out-folding movements, something like the infinity sign ∞.

(@ Winfield Scott):

- Regarding your thoughts about “Finding God in the Milky Way”, ancient Mythology and Story of Creation is very close connected to the Milky Way and when comparing ancient symbols and modern science, you can in fact observe a common knowledge. (http://www.native-science.net/MilkyWay.Contours.htm)

I agree that one can’t find (any) gods in heaven, but one can find human personalized (*) Milky Way figures in heaven that, when interpreted in to modern Astronomical and Cosmological knowledge, are telling a very specific story of Creation. (*also animal figures)

And the Ancient people have, in my opinion, a far Greater Story to tell, because the told the Great Story as a CYCLIC Story of Creation, compared to the modern linear explanation that really confuses more than it explains.

But look for yourself on the sites below . . .

With Love, Peace and Understanding from
Ivar Nielsen, the Baltic island of Bornholm, Denmark

http://native-science.net
http://cosmology.unified.net

Because it is presumably a very old structure in the history of the universe, it’s large-scale gravitational effects have acted on surrounding matter in several galactic superclusters for several billion years, allowing us to notice it because it has an observable effect on all local matter, including the Milky Way Galaxy, however, it and all the matter anywhere near it are red-shifted, meaning that it is moving away from us at tremendous speed.

From a philosophical standpoint, this anomalous structure in the universe CANNOT be “heaven” because a.) it is not nearly as old as the universe itself, b.) could not therefore predate the beginning of the universe, and c.) could not therefore be where God “resides” because that would mean that the beginning of the universe must pre-date God… which, I believe, is contrary to your religion.

Likewise, the Milky Way Galaxy is not God or heaven, nor are supermassive black holes, the boundary of the visible universe, the Sloan Great Wall, the Faxton Supercluster, or the North Star even remotely to be considered as candidates for God or Heaven.

Consider that “God” is a simplified term for a very complex metaphysical belief, and that “Heaven” is a religious metaphor for a metaphysical (not physical) afterlife. The physical features of the universe are, by their very nature, NOT metaphysical.

Some of the structures in the universe, like the Great Attractor, are statistically improbable, but that does not mean they are particularly special… just exceptions to the general structure as we understand it. Trust me when I tell you that you will not find God or Heaven with a microwave-spectrum radio telescope.

(And in my opinion, to believe that you could do so is hopelessly naieve from both a scientific and a spiritual perspective.)